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--[[User:Illuminatus|Illuminatus]] 02:32, 16 October 2012 (MDT)
 
--[[User:Illuminatus|Illuminatus]] 02:32, 16 October 2012 (MDT)
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==Working Hypothesis==
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* /1-/4 are based on CH2/CH3/CH5
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* /5 are based on F5 Marauders
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* /6 are based Marauder’s own Warriors including unreleased/ uncatalogued figures.
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I propose that 2c and 6a were accidently swapped for the catalogue photo...
  
 
==Acknowledgements==
 
==Acknowledgements==
 
Thanks to Blue in VT who posted a summary sheet to the CCM mailing list in OCT-2012  
 
Thanks to Blue in VT who posted a summary sheet to the CCM mailing list in OCT-2012  
  
Thanks to Raf Wolfs for the Chaos Warrior images (awaiting his wiki of the full CW range :) )
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Thanks to Raf Wolfs for the Chaos Warrior images (awaiting his wiki of the full CW range :) ) and to Stunties for the MM90 images.
  
 
and to the other CCM listees who provided suggestions.
 
and to the other CCM listees who provided suggestions.
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<gallery>
 
<gallery>
 
file:CD01.jpg|'''MM90/1a'''<P>We start with a classic odd man out. This infamous Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer is the only one so far based on a Chaos Sorcerer rather than a warrior. The match is pretty well established.
 
file:CD01.jpg|'''MM90/1a'''<P>We start with a classic odd man out. This infamous Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer is the only one so far based on a Chaos Sorcerer rather than a warrior. The match is pretty well established.
file:MM90-1a_CH5-22a.jpg|'''CH5 AMON DUL''' <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ch5bchaossorcero-01.htm SoL]</UL> <UL>CC-88 0208/10 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0208rocsorcerors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-1a_CH5-22a.jpg|'''CH5 AMON DUL''' <UL> <LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ch5bchaossorcero-01.htm SoL]</LI> <LI>CC-88 0208/10 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0208rocsorcerors.jpg SoL]</LI></UL>
  
 
file:CD02.jpg|'''MM90/1b'''<P>Another iconic pair. We start to establish some of the MM matching rules, for instance the weapons need not match (hammers vs axes in this case).
 
file:CD02.jpg|'''MM90/1b'''<P>Another iconic pair. We start to establish some of the MM matching rules, for instance the weapons need not match (hammers vs axes in this case).
file:MM90-1b_CW-0201-11.jpg| '''CH2 SLAMBO''' <UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL> <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL> <UL>CC-88 0201/11 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-1b_CW-0201-11.jpg| '''CH2 SLAMBO''' <UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/11 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD03.jpg|'''MM90/1c'''<P>Different arm position but clearly a match
 
file:CD03.jpg|'''MM90/1c'''<P>Different arm position but clearly a match
file:MM90-1c_CW-0201-06.jpg|'''CH2 KRAVOS DLETH''' <UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL> <UL>CC-88 0201/06 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-1c_CW-0201-06.jpg|'''CH2 KRAVOS DLETH''' <UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CC-88 0201/06 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD04.jpg |'''MM90/1d'''<P> Same pose, weapon, helmet, pauldron (shoulder pad)
 
file:CD04.jpg |'''MM90/1d'''<P> Same pose, weapon, helmet, pauldron (shoulder pad)
file:MM90-1d_CW-0204-14.jpg|'''CH3 THUN HELMBEATER''' <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]</UL> <UL>CC-88 0204/14 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-1d_CW-0204-14.jpg|'''CH3 THUN HELMBEATER''' <UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0204/14 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
 
</gallery>
 
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<gallery>
 
<gallery>
 
file:CD05.jpg|'''MM90/2a'''
 
file:CD05.jpg|'''MM90/2a'''
file:MM90-2a_CW-0201-10.jpg| '''CH2 PAPWORTH ORGANGRINDER'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/10 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-2a_CW-0201-10.jpg| '''CH2 PAPWORTH ORGANGRINDER'''<UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/10 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD06.jpg|'''MM90/2b'''
 
file:CD06.jpg|'''MM90/2b'''
file:MM90-2b_CW-0201-14.jpg|'''CH2 GRIM WRENCH CHAOS LORD'''<UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/14 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-2b_CW-0201-14.jpg|'''CH2 GRIM WRENCH CHAOS LORD'''<UL><LI> CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/14 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD07.jpg|'''MM90/2c''' <P> A piece of detective work reported by Blue to ID this unlisted Warrior
 
file:CD07.jpg|'''MM90/2c''' <P> A piece of detective work reported by Blue to ID this unlisted Warrior
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file:CD08.jpg|'''MM90/2d'''
 
file:CD08.jpg|'''MM90/2d'''
file:MM90-2d_CW-0201-18.jpg|'''CH3 GLADSTONE THE LARGE'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/18 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-2d_CW-0201-18.jpg|'''CH2 GLADSTONE THE LARGE'''<UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/18 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
 
</gallery>
 
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<gallery>
 
<gallery>
 
file:CD09.jpg| '''MM90/3a''' <P> Significantly different weapon but other matches
 
file:CD09.jpg| '''MM90/3a''' <P> Significantly different weapon but other matches
file:MM90-3a_CW-0201-16.jpg|'''PESTILENS ONE-EYE'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/16 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-3a_CW-0201-16.jpg|'''PESTILENS ONE-EYE'''<UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CC-88 0201/16 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD10.jpg | '''MM90/3b''' <P>
 
file:CD10.jpg | '''MM90/3b''' <P>
file:MM90-3b_CW-0201-20.jpg|'''CH2 ARAK'''<UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/20 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
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file:MM90-3b_CW-0201-20.jpg|'''CH2 ARAK'''<UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL] <LI>CC-88 0201/20 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
  
 
file:CD11.jpg|'''MM90/3c'''<P>
 
file:CD11.jpg|'''MM90/3c'''<P>
  
file:MM90-3c_CW-0217-01.jpg| '''{Unnamed}'''<UL>CC-88 0217/01 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0217rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
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file:MM90-3c_CW-0217-01.jpg| '''{Unnamed}'''<UL><LI>CC-88 0217/01 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0217rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
  
file:shim-White.gif| '''{CH2 MIGHTY ZOG ARKWRIGHT}'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL> <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/22 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-3c_CW-0201-22.jpg| '''CH2 MIGHTY ZOG ARKWRIGHT?'''<UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/22 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:shim-White.gif|
 
file:shim-White.gif|
  
 
file:CD12.jpg|'''MM90/3d'''<P>
 
file:CD12.jpg|'''MM90/3d'''<P>
file:MM90-3d_CW-0204-20.jpg| '''CH3 SCAATHOR TWO-BLADES''' <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0204/20 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
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file:MM90-3d_CW-0204-20.jpg| '''CH3 SCAATHOR TWO-BLADES''' <UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0204/20 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
  
 
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<gallery>
 
file:CD13.jpg|'''MM90/4a'''<P>
 
file:CD13.jpg|'''MM90/4a'''<P>
file:MM90-4a_CW-0204-11.jpg| '''CH3 ULFHDHNAR THE DESTROYER''' <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0204/11 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-4a_CW-0204-11.jpg| '''CH3 ULFHDHNAR THE DESTROYER''' <UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0204/11 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD14.jpg|'''MM90/4b'''<P>
 
file:CD14.jpg|'''MM90/4b'''<P>
file:MM90-4b_CW-0204-13.jpg| '''CH3 MADFLAIL''' <UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0204/13 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
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file:MM90-4b_CW-0204-13.jpg| '''CH3 MADFLAIL''' <UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0204/13 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>  
  
 
file:CD15.jpg|'''MM90/4c'''<P>
 
file:CD15.jpg|'''MM90/4c'''<P>
file:MM90-4c_CW-0201-01.jpg| '''CH2 SHEENEN DOOM AXE''' <UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/01  [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL><P>
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file:MM90-4c_CW-0201-01.jpg| '''CH2 SHEENEN DOOM AXE''' <UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/01  [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
 
file:CD16.jpg|'''MM90/4d'''<P>
 
file:CD16.jpg|'''MM90/4d'''<P>
file:MM90-4d_CW-0201-15.jpg| '''CH2 ERIC UMBRAND EARTHSHAKER'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/15 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
 
  
file:MM90-4d_CW-0204-05.jpg| '''CH3 BALSPEW FLAMESWORD'''<UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0204/05 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-4d_CW-0204-05.jpg| '''CH3 BALSPEW FLAMESWORD'''<UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35dch3chaoschampio-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0204/05 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
file:shim-White.gif|
 
 
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This is where it all starts to unravel...
 
This is where it all starts to unravel...
 
<gallery>
 
<gallery>
file:CD17.jpg|'''MM90/5a'''<P>  
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file:CD17.jpg|'''MM90/5a'''<P> Helmet with Horns, Eye-Slits, Breathing Holes<P>Big Beard and Animal Pelt
file:shim-White.gif| CC88 0204/08 ???  [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]
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file:KvanCrusherF5Marauder.jpg| '''F5 KVAN THE CRUSHER ?'''<UL><LI>CJ-S87 [http://solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35af5marauders-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC88 0213/19 [http://solegends.com/citcat88/0213rocthugs.htm SoL]
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file:Chaos_Marauder_1.JPG| '''F5 BROGAR BRAINBEATER ?'''<UL><LI>WD #86<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35af5marauders-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC88 0204/08 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]
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file:shim-White.gif|
  
file:CD18.jpg|'''MM90/5b'''<P>
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file:CD18.jpg|'''MM90/5b'''<P> Xbow and smiley helmet
file:MM90-5b ADD71-CW2.jpg| AD&D Chaos Warrior 2 ????<P>[http://www.solegends.org/citadd1/add71evilftrplate/IMG_9250-01.htm SoL]
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file:MM90-5b_CW-0204-19.jpg| '''F5 BULASTOR FARMDOOM?'''<UL><LI>WD #86<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35af5marauders-01.htm SoL] <LI>CC88 0204/19 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
  
file:CD19.jpg|'''MM90/5c'''<P>
 
file:shim-White.gif|
 
  
file:CD20.jpg|'''MM90/5d'''<P> Nurgle Champion?
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file:CD19.jpg|'''MM90/5c'''<P> Crest and skull belt + positioning
file:shim-White.gif|  
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file:MM90-5c_CW-0204-02.jpg|'''Unnamed ???'''<UL><LI>CC-88 0204/02 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0204rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:CD20.jpg|'''MM90/5d'''<UL><LI> 2-Handed Axes with Faces<LI>Similar Poses<LI>Marauder Top Knot equivalent to Chaos Dwarf Horn?</UL>
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file:UnnamedChaosMarauder6.jpg| '''F5 Unnamed Marauder 6 ?'''<UL><LI>CCM Wiki [http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/File:Chaos_Marauder_6.JPG]</UL>
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file:MM90-5d_F5.jpg| '''F5 KRAAN HEADCLEAVER?'''<UL><LI>WD #86<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap35af5marauders-01.htm SoL]</UL>
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<gallery>
 
file:CD21.jpg|'''MM90/6a'''<P>
 
file:CD21.jpg|'''MM90/6a'''<P>
file:MM90-6a_CW-0201-21.jpg| '''CH2 BORIS HEARTCLEAVER'''<UL>WD#81 (SEP-86)</UL><UL>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]</UL><UL>CC-88 0201/21 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:MM90-6a_CW-0201-21.jpg| '''CH2 BORIS HEARTCLEAVER'''<UL><LI>WD#81 (SEP-86)<LI>CJ-S87 [http://www.solegends.com/citjour87a/cj87ap36ach2chaoswarrior-01.htm SoL]<LI>CC-88 0201/21 [http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0201rocwarriors.jpg SoL]</UL>
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file:shim-White.gif|
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file:shim-White.gif|
  
file:CD22.jpg|'''MM90/6b'''<P>
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file:CD22.jpg|'''MM90/6b'''<UL><LI> Both CWs look satisfied and have maces<LI> UL4 looks gleeful with similar hunched pose and left arm position</UL>
file:shim-White.gif| Marauder's own MM91 - Chaos Warrior? [http://www.solegends.com/marauder/mm91chaoswarriors.htm SoL]
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file:MM90-6b-MM91-2.jpg|'''Marauder's own MM91 - Chaos Warrior?''' <P> [http://www.solegends.com/marauder/mm91chaoswarriors.htm SoL]
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file:UnlistedChaosWarrior4.jpg| '''Unlisted Chaos Warrior 4 ?'''<UL><LI>[http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/File:Chaos_Warriors_04.jpg CCM Wiki]</UL>
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file:shim-White.gif|
  
 
file:CD23.jpg|'''MM90/6c'''<P> This helmet should be easy to spot which suggests the model is v rare.
 
file:CD23.jpg|'''MM90/6c'''<P> This helmet should be easy to spot which suggests the model is v rare.
file:shim-White.gif|  
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file:MM90-6c-MM91-unreleased-2.jpg| '''Unreleased Marauder MM91 ?'''
  
 
file:CD24.jpg|'''MM90/6d'''<P>
 
file:CD24.jpg|'''MM90/6d'''<P>
file:shim-White.gif|  
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file:shim-White.gif| '''???'''
 
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Revision as of 13:41, 18 May 2017

Introduction

This page is to centralise information on the MM90 'mini me' phenomena. It is known that most if not all of the Marauder MM90 Chaos Dwarfs are modelled as miniature versions of Chaos Warriors from Citadel's previous ranges. Both are popular ranges and this extra correspondence makes it a fun set to collect. However, there are some problems with this area of research:

1. This was never officially acknowledged by Marauder or Citadel so it remains an 'Easter egg' for collectors to stumble upon and there is no definitive list.

2. Citadel's Chaos Warriors are one of the most numerous and eclectic subjects which have been mixed and matched into various ranges over the decades.

It is hoped that this page will be a collaborative effort. Please feel free to add your own examples and comment on those suggested by other users. Please be aware that some of this will be highly speculative and that is a good thing. There will probably never be a definative list - perhaps future generations will one day wage war as to which Warrior MM90/5/a is based on but it is not this day.

Using the naming convention (and initially the photos) from the MM90 page on this site. Links are given to phenomenal Stuff of Legends when known.

--Illuminatus 02:32, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

Working Hypothesis

  • /1-/4 are based on CH2/CH3/CH5
  • /5 are based on F5 Marauders
  • /6 are based Marauder’s own Warriors including unreleased/ uncatalogued figures.

I propose that 2c and 6a were accidently swapped for the catalogue photo...

Acknowledgements

Thanks to Blue in VT who posted a summary sheet to the CCM mailing list in OCT-2012

Thanks to Raf Wolfs for the Chaos Warrior images (awaiting his wiki of the full CW range :) ) and to Stunties for the MM90 images.

and to the other CCM listees who provided suggestions.


Key to Sources

  • WD#xx (date) = White Dwarf No. xx
  • CJ-S87 = Citadel Journal Spring 1987
  • CC-88 = 1988 Citadel Catalog

MM90/1

MM90/2

MM90/3

MM90/4

MM90/5

This is where it all starts to unravel...

MM90/6